Show Notes for Ep. 8 “Cory Doctorow”
Cory Doctorow—celebrated author, essayist, blogger-journalist, and human rights activist—visits the podcast to talk about privacy, security, monopoly power, the innate conservatism of AI, moral reckonings, technothrillers, and his latest book, Attack Surface, part of a series which motivated a generation of hacktivists, thinkers, and techies to fight for freedom and equity in our increasingly digital world.
Content note for discussion of torture, and for use of an ableist insult regarding mental health. Also for use of bullying as a metaphor.
Recorded 24 January 2021 / Published 10 May 2021
Contents
- 0:30: Introducing Cory Doctorow, and discussing his “post-scarcity complicated utopia” Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom.
- 3:20: The subjectivity of social capital.
- 7:55: Someone’s positive reputation can lead others to ignore bad actions, and a negative reputation can lead others to ignore good actions.
- 12:15: Harlan Ellison, Trumpists, Haman, and truth and reconciliation.
- 15:15: Orson Scott Card, Ender’s Game, and Starship Troopers.
- 21:05: C.S. Lewis, the Problem of Susan, and virtuous pagans.
- 24:30: Writing fiction to figure out what’s going on in our heads; things we don’t know about ourselves appearing in our writing.
- 29:30: If your work reveals something to you about yourself, then take the next step and act differently.
- 32:10: Machine learning supposes the future should be like the past.
- 33:05: Reduce the consequences of the platforms’ bad judgment by making them less powerful, and preventing them from buying competitors.
- 36:45: Stop criminalizing interoperability.
- 40:35: Make online communities interoperable, with freedom to move between communities.
- 42:55: Federalism, and communicating with the public through multiple channels.
- 45:55: Communities and governments deciding what things are acceptable or legal to say.
- 49:45: Tech companies block interoperability; we can improve things by screen-scraping.
- 54:20 : Brief intermission, featuring an ad for the Speculative Literature Foundation.
- 55:00: Cory’s new novel Attack Surface, and ordinary people being lax about computer security.
- 58:00: Cory’s YA novels inculcate in young people a view of the promise and peril of technology.
- 1:02:10: “Use the temporary shelter that you get from technology to create structural changes in society.”
- 1:04:40: Consumerism as a powerful tool.
- 1:06:00: Making it easy for people to do good.
- 1:09:40: Monopoly power can block interoperability.
- 1:11:10: Technothrillers that are short on technology.
- 1:14:30: Little Brother is still relevant because the underlying policy and technical questions are stable.
- 1:17:05: The technical material in Cory’s work is interwoven with the story, and is very digestible.
- 1:19:10: Work in corporate computing can require focusing on unimportant things.
- 1:23:20: In local government, it can be easy to focus on fine-grained decisions while missing big important equity issues.
- 1:25:45: The villains in Cory’s novels Walkaway and Attack Surface.
- 1:29:40: In Attack Surface, “being a good person to the people around you can mean being a bad person in the world.”
- 1:31:30: How do you get to a utopian fictional world from where we are?
- 1:34:10: Figuring out at each step what the best next step is to get to the kind of world we want.
- 1:40:10: Another approach: make the easiest changes first, and prototype things at a smaller scale to gain insight.
- 1:42:35: Writers can influence society.
- 1:43:40: An anecdote about Ben’s son Noah and a sit-in at the European Parliament.
- 1:45:00: Science fiction doesn’t predict the future, but it can help you mentally rehearse for scenarios.
- 1:47:30: The insufficiency of copyright as a means to compel companies to honor their deals.
- 1:55:40: Why Cory, Mary Anne, and Ben release their work for free (sometimes under CC licenses): people respond to generosity with generosity.
- 2:06:15: Credits.
Authors and Works Mentioned
Alphabetically by author surname, or by title of work in cases where authorship isn’t simple.
- Analog magazine. (Known for publishing hard science fiction featuring lots of science stuff.)
- Isaac Asimov’s behavior toward women.
- The Best American Short Stories.
- David Brin: The Postman.
- Lois McMaster Bujold: oaths of fealty to different districts.
- John W. Campbell’s racist views.
- Orson Scott Card:
- Hal Clement, a.k.a. Harry Clement Stubbs.
- Dante Alighieri: Divine Comedy.
- Samuel R. Delany:
- Quote: “[…] forces both social and psychological were at work to pull you toward the most conservative position you might inhabit, however poorly you might be suited for it.” —The Motion of Light in Water, setion 43.8.
- Heavenly Breakfast (mentioned in passing).
- Cory Doctorow:
- Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom (2003).
- Someone Comes to Town, Someone Leaves Town (2005).
- With Ben Rosenbaum: “True Names” (2008).
- Little Brother (2008).
- Homeland (2013).
- Walkaway (2017).
- Locus column (2019) about the Ride rideshare system in Austin; also about interoperability and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
- Attack Surface (2020).
- On Cory’s website, you can download free Creative Commons-licensed copies of many of his works by clicking individual covers on the main page, or you can purchase them from his shop.
- Harlan Ellison:
- Cory’s 2018 post after Ellison died. (Note in case you’re concerned about criticizing Ellison after his death: Ellison himself strongly disapproved of the “don’t speak ill of the dead” concept.)
- Clarion teaching: Ellison was infamous for his vicious, nasty, personal attacks on students at the Clarion writing workshop, supposedly in the service of making them better writers. Ellison’s essay “You Are What You Write,” published in the Clarion II anthology, described his practice of making Clarion students participate in the “Synanon Game” attack therapy system. For more on this, see my 2018 Facebook post about it, and other people’s comments. Content warning for descriptions of some of the horrible things that Ellison did and said to writing students, including hyperbolic quasi-threats of physical harm. Sometime around 1992, Clarion decided not to invite Ellison back to teach there again.
- J. Michael Straczynski, Ellison’s executor, says he’s going to finally bring out The Last Dangerous Visions, an anthology that Ellison had originally planned to publish in the early 1970s. For details, see Wikipedia.
- Ender’s Game movie.
- Alan Dean Foster. (Recently pursued unpaid royalties that Disney owed him. More recently, other authors have come forward with similar stories, and a coalition of author groups has formed, the DisneyMustPay Joint Task Force, to push Disney to pay those authors.)
- Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl, source of the line “In spite of everything, I still believe people are really good at heart.” (When Mary Anne said “Eli Weisel,” she presumably meant Anne Frank.)
- Neil Gaiman: “The Problem of Susan,” which can be found in Gaiman’s collection Fragile Things, among other places. (Ben was talking about the general topic rather than this specific story, but this story is probably the best-known fiction piece that addresses the issue.) See also:
- Ben’s 2009 blog post on this topic.
- Ben’s extensive discussion across several comments, on my review of the 2005 movie of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
- Ursula Vernon’s 2012 story “Elegant and Fine.”
- dirgewithoutmusic’s 2013 story about Susan growing up in America as a feminist; a little too America-centric for my tastes, but widely admired. There’s also lots of other fanfic about the Problem of Susan.
- Glee.
- Knut Hamsun, Norwegian writer. See also a long 2005 New Yorker article about him.
- Martin Harry Greenberg. (Prolific editor and publisher of science fiction anthologies.)
- Robert A. Heinlein:
- Starship Troopers.
- “Where To?” (aka “Pandora‘s Box”), in which Heinlein attempted to predict, in 1950, a couple dozen aspects of what life would be like in 2000. Heinlein revisited his 1950 predictions in 1965, and then again in 1980, and in many cases he reiterated his support for his original predictions even when there was no real sign of their heading toward coming true. For a bit more on this, see my 2018 Facebook post about it.
- John Kessel: “Creating the Innocent Killer: Ender’s Game, Intention, and Morality.”
- Margaret Killjoy. (Anarchist author.)
- John le Carré.
- Ursula K. Le Guin: The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia.
- Lawrence Lessig: Pathetic dot theory, also called the “New Chicago School theory,” which talks about four regulating forces: “the law, social norms, the market, and […] technical infrastructure.”
- C.S. Lewis.
- China Miéville: October: The Story of the Russian Revolution.
- Mary Anne Mohanraj:
- “Wake,” a story about going to a protest in pandemic times, forthcoming in the anthology Whether Change: The Revolution Will Be Weird.
- Mary Anne’s website, where you can read most of her fiction and poetry for free.
- The haiku that Mary Anne was paid a lot for.
- Vladimir Nabokov: Lolita.
- Alec Nevala-Lee: Astounding: John W. Campbell, Isaac Asimov, Robert A. Heinlein, L. Ron Hubbard, and the Golden Age of Science Fiction.
- Patrick Nielsen Hayden.
- Thomas Piketty: Capital in the 21st Century; also another book about the ideological dimension of political economy.
- Terry Pratchett: For the situation involving pi being 3, see the “mail-sorting engine” description in the Discworld & Terry Pratchett Wiki page on Bergholt Stuttley Johnson.
- Mike Resnick. (Mentioned as being an editor of anthologies.)
- Kim Stanley Robinson:
- 2312 (2012).
- Aurora (2015).
- New York 2140 (2017).
- The Ministry for the Future (2020).
- Seth Schoen: DeCSS haiku, a recasting of the DeCSS DVD-decrypting software into poem form.
- Norman Spinrad: “Emperor of Everything,” a 1987 essay about power fantasies in science fiction and fantasy, covering Ender’s Game, Dune, Chosen Ones, and more. Sadly unavailable except in a hard-to-find collection of Spinrad’s essays called Science Fiction in the Real World.
- Starship Troopers movie.
- Bruce Sterling.
- Leo Tolstoy.
- WarGames.
- Will & Grace.
- Shoshana Zuboff.
Other Clarifying or Explanatory Links
- Post-scarcity economy.
- Whuffie.
- Requires Hate.
- Last year’s attack on the Reichstag.
- Purim and grand vizier Haman.
- Authorial intent and “the author is dead”: See The Death of the Author.
- Potlatch: A small US-west-coast science fiction convention, last held in 2016.
- Machine learning.
- Mark Zuckerberg objects to people having more than one identity.
- New Deal. (When Ben said “Teddy Roosevelt,” he presumably meant Franklin Delano Roosevelt.)
- For more background on Facebook and MySpace, and iWork and Microsoft, see Cory’s 2019 EFF article “Adversarial Interoperability: Reviving an Elegant Weapon from a More Civilized Age to Slay Today’s Monopolies.”
- Facebook v. Power Ventures.
- The Reagan-era Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
- History of YouTube. (I’m guessing that when Cory said to make Apple divest of YouTube, he meant Google.)
- History of the environmental/ecology movement.
- “Baby Bells” in the wake of the 1980s breakup of AT&T.
- Mastodon.
- Parler.
- Swiss federalism and cantons.
- Phan Thi Kim Phuc, who appeared in a famous photo at age 9, in 1972, after being burned by a napalm attack. (Content warning for the photo—which is reproduced in the Wikipedia article—and text descriptions.) She is still alive. See also Facebook’s image censorship.
- Data scraping, including screen scraping.
- NYU’s Ad Observatory project.
- Edward Snowden.
- Demimonde.
- Ralph Nader.
- Bookshop.org “is an online bookstore with a mission to financially support local, independent bookstores.”
- SKUs.
- The Saudi government invested $3.5 billion in Uber in 2016.
- King Canute is apparently widely known as king who tried to command the tide not to come in, though that’s a misinterpretation of the story.
- Adversarial machine learning.
- Toxic masculinity.
- Hill-climbing algorithms in computer science.
- Daniel Dennett’s concept of an intuition pump. See also Cory’s 2020 Slate article about this concept.
- The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).
- Digital Services Act in the EU.
- Competition and Markets Authority in the UK.
- Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal.
- “it is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism”—Fredric Jameson, probably misquoting H. Bruce Franklin.
- Nostradamus.
- Doxxing riot police in Belarus.
- The Beatles’ original contract gave them one penny per single, calculated on 85% of their record sales.
- Cory’s Locus article about copyright and the “author’s monopoly.”
- Regarding the five publishers, soon to be four: Penguin Random House is buying Simon & Schuster.
- Writers Guild of America vs agents.
- Precursors to the line “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”