Benjamin Rosenbaum

Stepping down momentarily from being a co-host, Ben is interviewed by Mary Anne and Jed about his newest book, The Unraveling, a tale of social unrest in a far future society. The trio explore the themes of gender, pronouns, societal structure, parenting, and even surveillance that are brought up in Ben’s story. 

You can find out more about Ben’s book on the Erewhon Books website, where you can find links to purchase the Unraveling as well.

Episode recorded 25 April 2021

Episode published 14 June 2021

Show Notes


  1. 0:00: The Unraveling’s elevator pitch
  2. 3:25: Jed’s initial reaction to The Unraveling
  3. 5:00: Mary Anne’s initial thoughts on The Unraveling, and the importance of sign posting point of view change in fiction
  4. 7:10: On having multiple bodies
  5. 16:00: On how gender is portrayed in the Unraveling
  6. 23:30: On trans issues
  7. 31:40: MA on having cancer and the importance of physical characteristics in gender
  8. 37:50: Gender conformity in The Unraveling
  9. 42:55: On the use of pronouns in The Unraveling
  10. 49:28: Intermission and ad for the Vegan Serendib cookbook by Mary Anne
  11. 50:43: On the societal structure within The Unraveling
  12. 60:00: On parenting in The Unraveling
  13. 1:00:05: On social capital in The Unraveling
  14. 1:13:25: On privacy in the world of The Unraveling
  15. 1:17:55: Relating privacy to parenting
  16. 1:24:15: Do advanced beings or civilizations have parental responsibilities? 
  17. 1:28:50: On the question of coercion
  18. 1:35:40: Ben’s off-topic hair combing story
  19. 1:39:50: On The Unraveling’s setting and appendices

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